I switched books to pinnacle a few weeks ago and have noticed that lines jump up and down there a lot. I've also seen some of the forum members mention this. My question is simple: Why do the lines move around so much? I've seen alot lately how it starts out at say, -145, move down to 137 and then inch its way back at 145 by gametime. Just trying to understand pinny's line moves for baseball especially.
Thanks for help on this.

yes i don't know why they do this sometimes.it really pisssses me off when i sit there and place all of my plays and then hit the submit button only to be cancelled out. i wish they would just have a screen that says verify new line like the other places do.but, you did good by going to them. very good book. other than the crap i mentioned above no problems with them

Just one of the many reasons I do not use them anymore. They need lessons in how to be much more user friendly. Warning- Don't try their Casino either, you will lose and lose and lose. It is programed way too much in favor of the house.

they are top notch!!!They are one of few SB that does not turn away action from most. I have also read that they LEAN lines a certain way to draw action the opposite way. That doesn't mean they win all the time, they just feel that certain action needs to be offset. The more offsetting they create the more juice they take in to overcome the loses on daily opps., if there are some. keep in mind, some lines are adjusted to offset any future plays pending. Pinn lines are on the Donbest.com board and you can check past lines in the archives for all SB listed the that board. If you find anything interesting, pass it on to me and the others. GL.

I am an advocate of Pinnacle... I have used them fore more than any other book. I really noticed this in the NBA, especially on Totals. They would have O/U carry juice in the high teens and even low to mid 120's. I really thought I was on too something, so I started tracking it like a 4D chase. Only to realize that by game time it would be all the way down to -110 or something near that. Every once in a while a line would stay high on a total and it normally hit. Just look at tomorrow's totals in baseball. See where they are today and where they end up tomorrow by game time. Not sure on the ML in baseball, but I have noticed you have to be quick on the draw to get games in, gets kind of aggravating. They are good about paying out, so that I like! :)

I'm just wondering if they have any runners. Do you all have money in an account there? I use 2 places where I settle up with a runner. I have a credit line of $20,000 in one place and $100,000 in another. One place I settle up each Thursday in NJ in cash. One I have a running total with the guy I used for years and we settle up when one of us want to which cane be weeks.

Someone just asked about getting me on Pinny but he didn't give me much details yet. I'm going to see him Thursday.

I was just wondering.

*Did you ever notice you can review your posted transactions years back. Ahh.... memories!

*Filled out their questionaire the other day. Trying to get them to go wireless on cell phone.

Ragtop, are there any casinos out there not programmed to favor the house? lol :-) If yes tell me where!


I personally like Pinnacle. I think you see more linemoves there mainly because they're on a 4 cent line system and a book like that probably gets more professional action which will move their line more than other sportsbooks would get. Books like 5dimes that use a 5 cent line move just as often as pinnacle. Books that are using a 10 cent line for MLB don't seem to move as much though. It can be annoying but I think if you monitor line moves with pinnacle compared to other books I think you'll see that pinny almost always has the best line for either side compared to another book that would be running on a 10 cent line.

on when it's best to take a line? Early, middle, late? I've noticed without records to back it up that favorites have been the lowest in the middle but that's just speculation.

Thanks everyone for the input.

I know enough about blackjack to know that they all are favored to some degree. I have played Blackjack at several of the major Casinos around the world. But Pinnacles and several others IE: Canbet,Olympic, are programed way too much in favor of the house. Play you fav Pinnacle Casino for several days and I will guarentee you will lose.

On-line casinos notwithstanding, the only "House Advantage" in Blackjack is derived from the fact that the dealer goes last. "Allowing" players a chance to bust-out before the dealer even flips over his hole card is the key.

BTW Zincdog, I am a Pinnacle customer too. Not sure about your question on the causes of line movements, but I think you will find they are a very reputable book (fast payouts, no hassles, etc.).

Good Luck!

You said -"On-line casinos notwithstanding, the only "House Advantage" in Blackjack is derived from the fact that the dealer goes last. "Allowing" players a chance to bust-out before the dealer even flips over his hole card is the key." Correct me if I'am wrong but isn't that the case everywhere that the dealer always goes last?????

UUUMMM, I must be getting dumber in my old age, but I thought it had to do with how the casino game package in this case Blackjack is programed for the house like slot machines. I really don't think they have real live dealers fliping cards for players on line. Da?

LOL Rags. You mean someone isn't dealing somewhere in Costa Rica (or wherever) in front of just a webcam? :D

I was just trying to make a point based on the mathematics of Blackjack. For example, in Roulette, there are 37 spots on the wheel, but a direct hit only pays 35-1, hence the House Advantage in Roulette.

There is no inherent mathematical advantage like this in the game of Blackjack.

Line moves are fueled by market forces such as supply and demand. If money is coming in on one side, it creates a "vaccuum" that needs to be filled by adjusting the line to reflect that investment.

Blaming the casino for that is like blaming capitalism for exercizing its right to exist.

By the way, has anybody read the Forbes article about Fidel Castro's wealth ? Well, well, well, where did that old bastard come up with all that money anyway ? So much for the Castro revolution : screw the people and execute those who dare to complain.

BTW, for anyone who thinks that computers are not rigged to favor the house, I have a bridge for sale - cheap.

:-)

Now don't go busting my bubble now? I thought Jose, Jaun and Jesus were dealing. Glad I never duked them. Come to think of it I did. I lost.

:-)