Did you believe that the NBA Finals will be "decided" before each game start ?

I'm interested to read all your comments...


By the way..., and if you know me my vote is a 100% the yes, the NBA Finals and most of the big time events are "decided" by a small group of MOB members, I use to be a part of them, so believe me... I know what I'm saying

But... don't be shy, what's your opinion about this. Please let us know

Thanks and enjoy !

I do believe some things are 'Very' fishy at times. It would be very interesting to read an explanation of how it goes down before game time to back up what your are saying here. I've never quite always trusted the line the oddsmakers come up with.... In the back of my mind, I've come to believe there is a 'line' that is put out there for the public, and then there is the 'trueline' of what the game really should be and closer to the final score. Are you saying the MOB has it's hands on setting the game odds or just buying off players and refs? Anytime I've had these discussions, most cappers/gamblers look at me with disbelief and shock. I hear the same thing over and over, " if (Vegas) of the (Oddsmakers) were in it for anything other than the 10% vig they would be involved in 'gambling". I want to say geez, wake up, what do you Vegas is ?? It's gambling and a very sucessful business for them.... But I don't know, some lines look to be too fishy at times and the outcomes even fishier. Now it's time to get my a$$ blasted, lol.

Two words...

**** Bavetta!!!!

Yes, I believe the NBA is fixed to an extent, just like the NFL and NCAA football and B-Ball. But that's just me...

There is too much money for there not to be influence on sporting events. I for one believe that the NBA finals, amoung other events, are shaped by the hands of those in the know. To what extent, I am unsure. If elections shaping this country can be influenced by people looking to serve their own purpose and wallets, than why would a sporting event be any different. I would love to think that all games are on the level, but I believe that would be naive. I do not believe that every game is fixed, but I do believe that all games could be. The bigger the stage, the more apt for some shady goings on.

I just got an email from Friday. I was lucky enough to be offered his inside MOB picks for only $29.95 for each game or only $104.95 for all of the finals! What a joke, you have got to be kidding me! I will fade your plays and go with the guys who know and have proven records to show it (Osk, MSU and Shadow). I thought you finally left???

I, also, thought you retired. If you are going to post your plays for the finals, please do so, and I will cheer you on.

If you're going to use the "Handicapping, Trends, and Stats" forum to promote your touting service, I beleive you are in the wrong forum.

I think you're looking for the "Capper's and Sportsbook Promotions" forum.

Cheers,
Gouda

quote : Are you saying the MOB has it's hands on setting the game odds or just buying off players and refs?

- Well back in the old days, we use to have several options, to buy a players or two not always work... the easy way to "decided" a game whas to buy or harass one of the guys in control "the refs" like you call them, I always prefer to harass fear its more powerfull that big trunk of money

Now it's more easy... the referees have to obey superior ordes, now they don't have the option to back up , they don't have the final decision, money it's now the only option... the harass and fear are out of date

The NBA players, know about this... but they are not directly involved, but the NCAAB players are, they need money and so the MOB,

Most of the time its a fair game to one particular moment, but example if the MOB "decided" the UNDER in a game with a line of 180 and with 60 sec on the game and they are tie at 87. Its easy they will let the first team with a basket win, are start to call ofensive fouls or travel, both ways ( you have see this, its nothing new )

Only if one players makes a espectacular shot to beat the clock, and ties the game... so it will be OVER, the MOB simple takes over the next game and this time will make sure that they are in the winning side ( so they can get back their losses and more )

Check this out and its very easy to see and prove... just after a close game LINE or TOTAL, in which the MOB loss money, the next game it's a big beating, a lot of bad calls.. and ussually the big start of one of both teams is in early foul trouble ( by the way almost 90 % of the time the MOB have a side, and when they have a total ussualy go under )

This is a fair topic of discussion and it's a good question :

Did you believe that the NBA Finals will be "decided" before each game start ?


And please... if you don't like my post or treads, IGNORE ME !


LIVE AND LET DIE

The NBA teams are a franchise... its fix in the front office... they know what players go to who what the schule is and its pre set.the franchisees have to give game plans.so they tweek the game plans...duh... there is no fear in the NBA..hahaha or trust me that would have been public long ago ...hahaha the MOB don't f with that any more... it's the front office, cus its under wraps, no one can disclose it... its TV thats the MOB... its $$$$$$$$$$$... OMG u guys make me laugh... your so "cave man" in your approch.. to this... lord knows i dont know... i'v been watching the NBA for 50 years and its changed so much...make one bet or pick one team and chase it till they win...cus with TV it has to go 6-7 games... there will be a blow out on each side and then it comes down to the REFS , yes the refs they fear the front office... hahaha.. MOB .. fri15 HOF.. come back down to earth my man, life has passed u by... 1 team for a G note and chase... the MOB is big Corp. america now....hahaha . your not going to win multible games , just one, and make it good.... yeah someone will get hot and win a few, but there will be more that lose.. or as Fri13 says LOSS... maybe big "O" gets on a run... or a contest for the NBA finals?????????? dudes i just want to make a grand on the finals, thats alll. now please give me some picks lol... i have a 50-50 chance doint i hehehe and i still loss.... zzzzzzzzzzzzBA

Take this year's conference finals... shouldn't there have been at least one Game 7 if the games were fixed?

Home calls, poor officiating, whatever you want to call it yes. But, players still have to make plays. And, if guys are throwing games, it would have been uncovered by now.

But, if anyone knows which side the fix is on, please let me know.

No hay peor siego, que aquel que no quiere ver"


Quote : Take this year's conference finals... shouldn't there have been at least one Game 7 if the games were fixed?

- Yes... a lot of people think this way, and this is why Maverciks win that game, the public whas all over the Suns with the pick or -1 line ( if have to be a least one game 7... or not ? )

The MOB have a lot of money in this one and make sure that in the second half of that game, all the calls where against PHO... check the tape of that and you will see

I am of the position that ZERO games in professional sports are fixed. We are talking about billion dollars industry's where everybody involved is getting their fair share, including the officials. The amount of money is so large that nobody would jeopardize their career to fix a game.

Organized crime has ZERO INFLUENCE on the outcome of a major professional sporting event. ZERO

As always, I could be WRONG... Not likely though

I'm siding with Jason here. Professional players make too much money now. Years ago it was different. Players had to get 2nd jobs in the off-season.

However, football refs are only part time and they are the worst in the business when you take all major sports into consideration.

College sports is a different story as well. These guys aren't getting paid (legally) at all.

06-06-06 !

I have been handicapping sports for over 15 years and I learned a long time ago not to blame my losses on anybody but myself. If I lose a game because an official makes a bad call, I probably should not have bet a game where it came down to that.

Like all of you I can give you a list a mile long of my BAD BEATS, but I would wager that my list of BAD WINS is probably just as long. I just don't remember them.

I have the most respect for the handicappers in this forum who step up after a loss and simply state they made a mistake. They don't blame officials,coaches,managers,tv,line makers. They take their loss and move on. Luckily this forum is filled with handicappers like that.

In a 2004 study of 21,000 Division I athletes, 17.2 percent of them admitted to betting on college sports. Four percent said bettors had put them in compromising positions to provide inside info or shave points.

Remember, those are just the ones who admitted it.

A University of Pennsylvania study said as many as 500 college basketball games had been affected by point shaving in the past 16 years. That was based on a statistical analysis of scores.

Jason, those terms, ZERO> INFLUENCE, TOLLERANCE. They pop up in sports more often now, but that does not mean it does not happen. Do you also believe that no pro player cheats to have an advantage, other than the ones that have been CAUGHT. All this stuff happens but at a level that is tolerated. All sports have their own governing body, it's the ones that operate outside these bodies that get exposed an made examples of. This will always be a debate because it very difficult to prove.

* 72% of the athletes had participated in some form of gambling since entering college, and 80 percent of the male athletes had done so. Among women, 59 percent did so.

* 35 % of all athletes and 45 percent of the men had gambled on sports since entering college.

* 5 % of male athletes had provided inside information for gambling purposes, bet on a game in which they participated or took money to perform poorly.
"While 5 percent may not look like a lot, to me 5 percent is a lot," Vollano said yesterday. "I am surprised at the 5 percent."


The complete articule

This is only one of many news articules that we know... and believe there's a lot more that most of you don't know, and maybe because you don't really want to accept this is truth

Quote: "I am of the position that ZERO games in professional sports are fixed. We are talking about billion dollars industry's where everybody involved is getting their fair share, including the officials. The amount of money is so large that nobody would jeopardize their career to fix a game."



Sports gambling is a billion dollar indusrty as well. The amount of money a pro player makes is so large one would think they would not risk taking steroids to jeopardize their career. But they do.
As far as the argument that everyone is getting their fair share, you must be joking. We can look at pay structures of the leagues, avg salalries for players, refs etc. and think it is by and large fair, but we are not the ones that get that money, and as a rule, people always want more. If everyone is getting their fair share, why are there players that "can't feed their families" with the 5 million dollars a year they recieve.
Do you conceed Pete Rose and the Chicago Black Sox? I was just wondering how long you feel that all Pro sports have been "clean" so to speak.

Chico, the Black Sox threw the WS because the owner was cheap. In their eyes, and perhaps rightfully so, they believed that he was not paying them what they deserved and the owners were not paying the bonus money they promised either. Something similar happened in the 1918 WS between the Red Sox and Cubs when the players almost refused to finish the series. It was easy to flash a few dollars in front of the players then. Now, with the most mediocre of players making in excess of $1 million per year there is almost no amount of money that could entice them to throw a game. It just isn't worth it.

Pete Rose gambled on baseball, but I still find it hard to believe that he ever threw a game. He was a fierce competitor and always wanted to win. He just never had enough action to satisfy his craving and that was his downfall. I don't think he ever intentionally lost a game. I don't think he could. It just wasn't in his character.

PS - If you really want to do some good reading about gambling and throwing games and cheating in sports, take a good look at the early era of baseball (pre-1920). Look up Hal Chase and you'll find some great stuff. The Black Sox were just the tip of the iceberg.