Some of the Statfox home/away PF/PA stats have been different from the home/away AF/AA stats posted at another site for several weeks.

If you use that information to calculate what you think the "line" should be, as I do, be careful.

I have called this to the attention of Statfox John but I haven't heard back from him yet.

Zac, I have noticed the samething. I have also asked why these are different and I have not heard anything either.

Several people in the Hall of Fame thread are stating that your PF and PA are incorrect. If this is true are you going to fix. If not I would like a refund please. I have always trusted this site and if the information is bad, I certainly don't want to pay for it. I would appreciate a response. Please read the Hall of Fame section posted by ZAC. I have copied and pasted below.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Pete

Be careful with the stats.
Some of the Statfox home/away PF/PA stats have been different from the home/away AF/AA stats posted at another site for several weeks.

If you use that information to calculate what you think the "line" should be, as I do, be careful.

I have called this to the attention of Statfox John but I haven't heard back from him yet.

This was first brought up on Feb 20th, so hopefully this gets answered quickly. I'm am having to double check each stat for verfication, but so far I have not found any discrepencies.

Please provide a list of teams where there is a discrepancy and I will look into it. Thanks.

Please email Statfox Jeff with the errors he said he would look into this and get back to us if you provide him with specifics. YOu should send this to him in the Stat fox Knowledge and support area.

Please provide as I as well as you gamble hard earned money and they are willling to fix but you need to give them specifics.

thanks,
pete

I have sent a PM to Statfox John telling him about this. He sent me a PM asking which sport because I forgot to list it. I have not heard anything else. It has been over a week now.

I tried several times to get an answer as to why the % listed
is more often wrong. For example , today game matchup OD/
Jim madison. FT% JM 16-20 76% Correct is 80%. I often find the same number with different %, 18-24 74%, 18-24 69%, and maybe one will have the correct answer of 66%.
John responded that he didnt understand or needed more info, when it looks to be self explanatory.
If anyone can shed any light on this I would greatly appreciate it.
Maybe I'm just missing something.

Captain Joe,

I assume you are talking about the stats in the following image.

http://screencast.com/t/D4rwI9sj

The reason the percentages are different is because they are representing an average over several games, so the real number could be 14.4 - 20.3 (for example).

We could put more resolution on the Attempts and made, but then we have people asking how a team can make 14.4 attempts, plus it takes more room to display. So the % number is an accurate percentage, and the other are rounded for readability.

For any other questions, we need specifics on what team and what stats, otherwise we are looking for a needle in a haystack.

We care a lot about the accuracy as we know you do, so if we can work together I am sure we can find any discrepancies and get them corrected.

It's not just 1 team.

The number of discrepancies between Statfox and Covers, that I have noticed, vary from day to day.

There weren't that many today. But, there weren't many games today.

I'll see if I can find some specific examples Saturday.

John,
All of the Overall PF/PA are the same between Statfox and Covers. There is a discrepancy between your PF/PA for both Home and Road teams compared to Covers Print sheet. I am not saying that your #'s are inaccurate. I am just merely pointing out the difference. Below is a listing of the first 10 games on the board today.

BG = Road PF/PA Statfox 62.1/68.2, Covers 62.6/69.4
Mia OH = Home PF/PA Statfox 71.4/68.7, Covers 72.4/69.5

JMadison and VA Comm. Statfox PF/PA Same as (SA) Covers Print Sheet

SYR = Road PF/PA Statfox SA/63.0, Covers SA/63.6
GT = Home PF/PA SA

BC = Road PF/PA Statfox SA/67.2, Covers SA/70.0
Virg = Home PF/PA SA

Missouri = Road PF/PA Statfox SA/77.7, Covers SA/82.9
KSt = Home PF/PA Statfox 79.4/SA, Covers 80.9/SA

WIMIL = Road PF/PA Statfox 67.3/70.6, Covers 66.3/70.1
YouSt= Home PF/PA SA

NC Wil = Road PF/PA Statfox 62.9/71.1, Covers 61.5/71.5
NE= Home PF/PA SA

S.Ill= Road PF/PA SA
IND St= Home PF/PA SA

Ark = Road PF/PA Statfox 61.5/70.8, Covers 59.6/72.1
Aub = Home PF/PA Statfox 63.6/64.2, Covers 64.2/64.4

Vandy = Road PF/PA Statfox 70.7/66.5, Covers 72.0/67.9
LSU= Home PF/PA SA

I looked at 10 games after the one's CatdD just posted.

I'm not saying which stats are right and which are wrong either. I don't know. I just know they are different and I hope Statfox will check on it.

The big discrepancies are in the "away" stats.

Away: Statfox PF/PA vs Covers AF/AA
TX Tech 73.6/84.6 vs 75.7/86.6
NEB 62.2/65.4 vs 63.7/68.8
MIAMI 70.5/69.1 vs 69.8/70.0
RI 69.4/72.1 vs 68.4/73.1
Ga Tech 68.4/76.1 vs 64.8/79.8
TEMP 66.9/64.6 vs 70.1/66.9
Wichita St 72.6/63.1 vs 71.6/62.1
BYU 82.9/71.1 vs 84.3/69.8

There are minor discrepancies in home stats but most aren't enough for concern. I did see one big one in SD ST.
Home: Statfox vs Covers
Ford 66.7/69.3 vs 65.6/69.4
SD St 67.9/66.8 vs 74.6/56.1

Here's the list I came up with.

CatD also posted a list in the HOF forum.

Neither one of us are saying which stats are right and which are wrong.

I don't know. I just know they are different and I hope Statfox will check on it.

The big discrepancies are in the "away" stats.

Away: Statfox vs Covers
TX Tech 73.6/84.6 vs 75.7/86.6
NEB 62.2/65.4 vs 63.7/68.8
MIAMI 70.5/69.1 vs 69.8/70.0
RI 69.4/72.1 vs 68.4/73.1
Ga Tech 68.4/76.1 vs 64.8/79.8
TEMP 66.9/64.6 vs 70.1/66.9
Wichita St 72.6/63.1 vs 71.6/62.1
BYU 82.9/71.1 vs 84.3/69.8

There are minor discrepancies in home stats but most aren't enough for concern. I did see one big one in SD ST.
Home: Statfox vs Covers
Ford 66.7/69.3 vs 65.6/69.4
SD St 67.9/66.8 vs 74.6/56.1

also I've found that the power searches outplay factor numbers don't add up. They are always off. According to the Statfox explanation, the numbers never equal what the equation calls for. Plus adding in the home court advantage, the edges are hardly edges cause the TRUE math calls for different numbers against the actual line.


Seems to me, the WHOLE Foxsheets needs an overhaul. I remember a year or two back, several threads where mentioned about changes in the sheets, but they still look the same as they did when I first saw them back in 2003. A few minor adjustments, but some of the BIG things never panned out.

Any truth to this?

I think the difference in most of these results is probably how we classify the neutral games.

The only difference I can find on the San Diego State results between StatFox and Covers is for the game against San Francisco on 2/21/2010.

Covers doesn't have that one as a neutral game, but it was played in Las Vegas.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/scoreboard/previews/san-francisco-@-san-diego-state.cfm/date/12-21-10

Also, depending on where you get the stats, our PF/PA may be using all games, whereas some of the comparisons above may just be using Road/Home games (which excludes the neutral games).

Our summary of the matchups use all games for PF/PA, but if you look at the expanded matchup we break it down further.

For example on the SD St / BYU game:

http://www.statfox.com/cbb/ expanded~sportid~cbb~gameid~20110226SAND
IEGOST.htm

If you look down into the details we list :
BYU Team Stats (Road Games): PPG = 82.9
SD ST Team Stats (Home Games): PPG = 75.6

We also break it down on each team page. Look at the bottom section for PF/PA to see a break down in many situations.San Diego St

That could explain it. I don't know.

But, today, there are only five games and all but the last road team, Jackson State, show discrepancies between Statfox and Covers' home/away pf/pa stats.

The most glaring one I see is N. Colorado which has Statfox 70.6/73.2 vs Covers 71.4/75.0.

Again, I see no significant discrepancies in the home team stats.

Thanks for looking at it.

Please post links to where you are getting the stats from covers and statfox.

Covers print sheets.

http://www.covers.com/faxsheets/index.aspx

Statfox team reports.

http://www.statfox.com/cbb/teamreport.asp?sortby=team

It looks to me like we match perfectly on N. Colo