baston, I happen to agree with you. Most of you know I handicap for value and use the sheets as support. None of my wagers are based solely on the sheets. That said, and I've never made a bet based on a "quick" system (definately no intended knock here), it is becoming increasingly hard to argue with success. I agree with just dave, would love to see a longer period, but I see no harm in making a certain size wager on a particular system that is as good as nick's stars and it appears jeffn86's categories with or without stars has some merit. But I see it as very difficult to have a meaningful discussion without being able to mention the games. I understand statfox's position, but fail then to see the true purpose of the forum. If the only way to discuss teams in advance of gametime is to have a private forum, then I am all for it.