I knew this guy was full of sh.t!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...v=PJAx1Aaq1Ak#!

His claims are some of the biggest lies I've ever heard in my life.

"When one of these large syndicates makes a move on a game they contact me."

Yeah. That's why you work out of your basement like Tigreson.

Fkn retard.


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He was a decent guy when he used to be on here. I haven't spoken to him in a while.

Pete

LOL, he's won a lot of awards! Wasn't he a lawyer and gave that up to do this??? If nothing else that's an interesting employment move.

Do you agree his claims are BS?

Ragtop called him an ambulance chaser.

LOL

A lawyer becoming a tout is akin to a hooker becoming a cheerleader. I don't think so!


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Invest with confidence.

Not gonna lie; one of my most successful years was when he had that incredible run back in 06 or 07. Was disappointed when I found out he turned tout and was recruiting people.

Agree with double. I was disappointed with that whole move too.


BTW, if you think for one minute that he is not trolling here on a daily basis, you are out of your mind.

Too bad he doesn't just contribute here a little.

I haven't kept up with him. I give him credit thouh for setting up the site and giving up his law practice. Don't know what kind of lawyer he was, but he was a solid guy when he was here. Hell their is a sucker born every minute, he might as well get them vs, some of those other goofs.
pete

He's a tout.... and he used to be a lawyer... what more you need to know..

If a tout is so good and so confident at what he does, there would be no need to sell his picks... They know its like throwin darts, so they want you to take the risk. and if they get lucky they are geniouses, if they lose they were just unlucky. I say they all suck.

Man, I don't know about his picks but his presentation is too boring, lol.

He gotta learn lots of things from Touts like Stu Feiner, Al De Marco and Wayne Allyn Root, lol.

Look here, Stu is the best!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLDtQwbAHsU

A tout must ALWAYS wear a suit, always. Period.

Will never forget the time I saw Feiner claim a 46-2 record in the NFL on one of those tout shows on TV. The guy's hilarious.

As for Osk, I checked his full-season results on The Sports Monitor of Oklahoma for his first couple of years as a tout. He did finish in the top 10 in a couple of categories (college hoops, NBA, NFL, etc.) for a full regular season. At one point I added up all his records that were available on TSM, and the overall was around 55 percent -- nothing you can't get for free right here. But, I do recall him as a decent guy when he was posting plays on Statfox.

I don't know the guy personally and didn't have a clue what he looked like until now. Not trying to bash the guy, just stating the obvious about what his silly video implies. If you actually believe anything that slips off his tongue God help you. He's not a very good liar and as RD said, "who the fudge needs to sell picks if they are a winner anyways."

Wake up nummies.



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I think tex said that.

What a douche!

The largest syndicates offshore contact u first? Really? Why would they do that. I mean who the hell believes such BS.

Touts. Always an interesting subject. lol!

Ok, no probs with Osk when he posted here. I always found his line to be slightly off, and I used oddschecker. He was respectful and very nice with people.

The real question, is why do they become touts?

They need the money. Gambling is not paying their bills. I would say less than 1% in this forum, live off gambling. Maybe less than .01%!!!

So to live off it, picks need to be sold.

Yes, I have studied this intensely. Even in in England, which is a far more open betting market, very few make a living at it. There are documented cases, and they do not tout.

In America, the IRS releases the number of gamblers claiming gambling income as their primary income source. The number is not high. I think it was around 12% or so, I will go see if I can pull that up.

Of these, many are poker players, not sports gamblers.

That is the answer to all this. Even hitting 55%, you need a big bank.

And very low expenses in your life. It does not matter. To survive with a 100K bank, you need to bet about .5% of bank. That would be $500 a game.

You would need to win about two units a week, to live. And this is just a median income. If you like fast cars, you will need more.

So then you need a $200k bank. And so on. If you have a $400,000 home, now worth, 200k because you forgot to buy silver, and bought a new kitchen, you need more. Always more!!!

The most successful gambler in England pulls in about 8 to 12 million a year. He is a geek with numbers. There is a horse trader in Hong Kong, also a geek with numbers. He runs a real syndicate, that none of us can join. Horse racing. He pulls in around 20 million a year.

These are not lucky people. These are methodical ruthless number cruncher types.

So that is the answer to your tout question. Really. The touts are not at the level, where they could live on their own picks. They never have been.

I will show you another level of tout, also popular in England.

Hang on...

Today is education day. lol!


P.S. I agree with Point on Silver, even though I tease him. He may may be one of those kids that grew up with a silver tooth, and they are always biased anyhow...

I disagree with him on Osk.

I agree with both Tex and Rdtrains.

I disagree that you can hit 55% in this forum. There is only one way to prove that. One gambler, or a few, must use picks only, in the forum, state who they followed, and do nothing else, for one month.

It would be an interesting thread. I have tried to start it in the past with no luck.

It would work like this.

Bytore: Following Rdtrains for 5 Units on Cleveland to win ATS, as Rdtrains said 5 units. So we respect the units the poster has chosen.

Since I am not super rich, 5 units would be 10% of my bank using 2% of my bank per unit. Even if I was a 100K gambler!

See if you go broke, or make money. You can post your own picks in the trial. Our bank could be an imaginary $100k. 2% of BR. So remember, if you take 5 units, you just bet $10K.

You cannot take more units, than the original poster suggested. So If a poster says 2 units, you cannot have more.

Why 2%. Every tout claims 2% of BR. 90% of us will go broke in a few weeks.

We need someone to run it. Point? Not me, I am to disorganized.

Denham was the king at this of course. : )

Anyhow, I digress.

Let me show you the future of touting, and why it exists...

Say what you will about him going tout. I wasn't happy to see the move but to each his own. He was a very nice guy when he was here. Before I had a smart phone back in the 06-07 CFB season he would call me and leave a message with his picks when I was out playing golf. I spoke to him once or twice. You can bash the man's profession, but he was courteous and respectful and had one of the best CFB seasons I ever witnessed and I was glad to benefit from it. That run was akin to Bama's CBB two years ago and randizzle's run a few years back.

I agree Bear, sounded like a true professional.

Nothing bad from me about him. I got home late, so the lines most likely moved by the time I saw them.

Off to check the IRS.

I will look up Pointmagic's tax return. lol!

Some spammer just awoke an old thread. I forgot about the guy who bet 3.5 million on a game!

This is an old article.

Even the so called pro here, sold picks.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/09/b...profession.html

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"Would-be professional gamblers, however, should think hard before quitting their day jobs. Only one-half of 1 percent of all gamblers fall into the professional category, according to the Council on Compulsive Gambling of New Jersey. While actual numbers are hard to come by, people in the field say the number of professional gamblers may be 100,000 to 700,000 nationwide. Such gamblers are heavily regulated and must win a lot -- and keep good records -- to make the financials work."

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The professional gambler site was sold, about 5 years ago or so. Hard to get the date right, but it was around that time.

I got an e-mail, telling me so. From the professional gambler site.

RJ Miller is still out there.

From July this year.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hunch...-204500608.html

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"Still, Miller contends that “no more than one in a hundred bettors can make sports betting their sole vocation.”
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So my estimate is pretty close. .5% to 1%. That would mean, in all forums, only 1% of us, are professional gamblers.

Combine all touts, and I would think the numbers would reflect that as well. This is just basic math, and using mean average deduction. All things return to the mean, and very few systems can rise above the mean.

I have seen it countless times in my own systems, and systems posted in forums. Hot streaks are not methodical number crunching. They do not make a living long-term.

One year is useless, ten years maybe.

I often allude to trading as a solution to this problem, only because you can build methodical systems. They are the same however, without back testing, there is no real proof.

Curtis Faith, who is a stock market type, ran hundreds of stock systems through rigorous analysis, and found only a handful that worked consistently. They did earn about 50% a year.

I suspect sports betting is very similar. Hundreds of trials are needed, and it must be methodical. This is my humble opinion.

I do not think most in the tout business, have even close to the ability to do this.

As you read the Yahoo article from this year, look how at how Pinnacle sums it up. Not so many sharps, are there? I am surprised they can tell after 100 wagers. I would think more than 100 games would be needed, but Pinnacle blows me out the water with algorithmic superiority.

You could look even further, and find mathematicians trying to beat sports. About 1% of them will succeed. There is not one newspaper writer, mathematician or otherwise, who has proofed a winning record over time.

And now, a service I really like.

I will explain why...

He does it for the love of it, and makes no claim to being a professional gambler.

He sells his picks at a very modest price, and will possibly give them to you for free if you tell him Allan from Canada sent you.

(Yes, I am famous worldwide! lol!!!).

http://www.bettingsystemprofits.com/

Actually, the owner of the site and a friend of his went to great lengths to help me get an NBA machine up and running.

In the end, it had a flaw. Never one to stop, I will build another.

What I really like about the owner, is how upfront he is. He is testing a soccer system right now, and it is up 45 units. He would also tell you, up front, he could use the money to pursue the career and one day be a gambler or trader only.

That is your honesty coming at you. He also runs a fund raising site for people who help cancer victims. You can read about it on his site.

I do believe this is the way to go, for any prospective service. Be upfront, and tell your clients exactly what your objectives are.

The soccer system is undergoing testing, and Matt the owner, is quite upfront about that.

If any of you have an interest, just send me a P.M., and I can forward the latest trial. You can see how it goes up and down 10 units a pop. Definitely no more than 1% of BR should be used to play it.

The max bet is about $5 at Betfair. It is all straight flat wagering, no multiple units.

As it is a test, it could lose the 45 units won so far. Soccer is a strange creature...

I also look at units, when studying any prospective service or tout. Using multiple units, is really like using margin in stock markets. They may win big, but the double edged sword is as sharp as ever.

Ok, school's out!!! I hope you enjoyed my take and research on it all. : )

P.S. I will get to the 1%, one of these days...

It's almost impossible for me to believe that some of you guys are this naive. Oh he's a great guy and he's one of the best cappers, and it's a shame we lost him etc. etc.

Give me a break. The guy posted for one year at maybe 60%, with record fudging included. He's goes tout now telling tales out of school about being on a short list of offshore insiders with a direct phone-line from God. LOL

Wake up. The guy works from his basement with no employees and he is an illuminati insider?

Makes sense to me. I guess you can make a argument for a habitual liar being a nice guy. Charles Ponzi had a helluva sense of humor.


Makes me laugh.


"What a douche!

The largest syndicates offshore contact u first? Really? Why would they do that. I mean who the hell believes such BS."


Spot on.




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