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ronnie111
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alan trammell

was inducted into the HOF. he was a good player, but in my mind not a HOF type player
interested to see what the consensus opinion is on that.

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Without looking up his numbers, I'd have to agree with you.

I don't think that he's ever even been in a WORLD SERIES, let alone winning one.

I'm hard pressed to see why he was selected.

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Umm,I wlll just respectfully submit without a nod either way.. Ozzie Smith is in with career BA of .262 and just 28 HR's! Trammell .285 career BA and 185 HRs. Trammell played on a lot of average to poor Tiger teams and in 1987 had a .343 BA, something Smith never came close to.

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Ozzie smith played Hall of Fame defense. Ozzie had 100 more hits and also stole almost 600 bases. Trammell was good All Star player, but no HOF'er




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Ozzie Smith career Fielding % as SS is .9782
Trammell career Fielding % as SS is .9768

Smith is 17th and Trammell 30th All Time list as SS's fielding.
There are a dozen or so players below Trammell in fielding that are in Hall already. Pee Wee Reese for example,.9624 fielding % is ranked 158 for SS's and his offensive metrics are generally lower across board then Trammell.The majority of SS's in Hall already have a lower lifetime BA then Trammell.Not a Trammell fan,but just thought ronnie raised an interesting ?

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why isn't fred mcgriff in the hall yet?

493 HR'S
2490 hits
1550 RBI'S
.284 lifetime BA.

this guy was a terrific hitter.

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My Avitar speaks for me ... google best SS/2B duo's

4. Lou Whitaker & Alan Trammell, Tigers (1977-1995)
Five-year peak: 1983-87
WAR: 51.2

Only two pairs of teammates in big league history played in more games together than these two did, making them the longest running middle infield pair ever. Famously debuting together in the same 1977 game, Whitaker and Trammell ruled the Detroit infield for most of the next two decades, bringing a World Series championship to town in 1984 after helping the team get off to a 35-5 start. Between 1983-87, the pair combined to make eight All-Star teams. Overall, they played 39 combined seasons for Detroit, never wearing the uniform of another club as active players. (Trammell would manage the team for three additional seasons, as well.) As recently as a few months ago, Whitaker was vocally campaigning for his former teammate to make the Hall of Fame, saying that their partnership was as responsible for Jack Morris’ success as anything else. He’s not wrong, either; Whitaker and Trammell, who shared agents and were roommates for several years early in their careers, were friends on and off the field, realizing the heights they could attain together from the first time they met in the fall of 1976.




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Gary, I was more surprised with Morris than
Trammell. Morris lifetime ERA around 4.00 and not sure any Hall of Fame Pitcher has one that high.

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Jack ..............

Wild Pitches
1983 AL 18 (1st)
1984 AL 14 (1st)
1985 AL 15 (1st)
1987 AL 24 (1st)
1991 AL 15 (1st)
1994 AL 13 (1st)

he was our stud and threw HARD !!!! LOL




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Hall of Fame Monitor
All-Time and Active Leaders

This is another Jamesian creation. It attempts to assess how likely (not how deserving) an active player is to make the Hall of Fame. Using its rough scale, 100 means a good possibility and 130 is a virtual cinch. It isn't hard and fast, but it does a pretty good job. Here are the batting rules.

Also, we require a minimum of 30 points in this metric before the value is displayed for a player.

For Batting Average, 2.5 points for each season over .300, 5.0 for over .350, 15 for over .400. Seasons are not double-counted. I require 100 games in a season to qualify for this bonus.
For hits, 5 points for each season of 200 or more hits.
3 points for each season of 100 RBI's and 3 points for each season of 100 runs.
10 points for 50 home runs, 4 points for 40 HR, and 2 points for 30 HR.
2 points for 45 doubles and 1 point for 35 doubles.
8 points for each MVP award and 3 for each AllStar Game, and 1 point for a Rookie of the Year award.
2 points for a gold glove at C, SS, or 2B, and 1 point for any other gold glove.
6 points if they were the regular SS or C on a WS winning team, 5 points for 2B or CF, 3 for 3B, 2 for LF or RF, and 1 for 1B. I don't have the OF distribution, so I give 3 points for OF (requires at least 82 games as the position).
5 points if they were the regular SS or C on a Pennant-winning (but not WS winning) team, 3 points for 2B or CF, 1 for 3B. I don't have the OF distribution, so I give 1 points for OF (requires at least 82 games as the position).
2 points if they were the regular SS or C on a Division winning team (but not WS or LCS winning), 1 points for 2B, CF, or 3B. I don't have the OF distribution, so I give 1 points for OF (requires at least 82 games as the position).
6 points for leading the league in BA, 4 for HR or RBI, 3 for runs scored, 2 for hits or SB, and 1 for doubles and triples.
50 points for 3,500 career hits, 40 for 3,000, 15 for 2,500, and 4 for 2,000.
30 points for 600 career home runs, 20 for 500, 10 for 400, and 3 for 300.
24 points for a lifetime BA over .330, 16 if over .315, and 8 if over .300.
For tough defensive positions, 60 for 1800 games as a catcher, 45 for 1,600 games, 30 for 1,400, and 15 for 1,200 games caught.
30 points for 2100 games at 2B or SS, or 15 for 1,800 games.
15 points for 2,000 games at 3B.
An additional 15 points if the player has more than 2,500 games played at 2B, SS, or 3B.
Award 15 points if the player's batting average is over .275 and they have 1,500 or more games as a 2B, SS or C.
Pitching Rules

15 points for each season of 30 or more wins, 10 for 25 wins, 8 for 23 wins, 6 for 20 wins, 4 for 18 wins, and 2 for 15 wins.
6 points for 300 strikeouts, 3 points for 250 SO, or 2 points for 200 or more strikeouts.
2 points for each season with 14 or more wins and a .700 winning percentage.
4 points for a sub-2.00 ERA, 1 point if under 3.00, in seasons in which surpassed 150 innings pitched.
7 points for 40 or more saves, 4 points for 30 or more, and 1 point for 20 or more.
8 points for each MVP award, 5 for a Cy Young award, 3 for each AllStar Game, and 1 point for a Rookie of the Year award.
1 point for a gold glove.
1 point for each no-hitter. This is not currently included.
2 points for leading the league in ERA, 1 for leading in games, wins, innings, W-L%, SO, SV or SHO. Half point for leading in CG.
35 points for 300 or more wins, 25 for 275, 20 for 250, 15 for 225, 10 for 200, 8 for 174 and 5 for 150 wins.
8 points for a career W-L% over .625, 5 points for over .600, 3 points for over .575, and 1 point for over .550, min. 190 decisions.
10 points for a career ERA under 3.00, min 190 decisions.
20 points for 300 career saves and 10 points for 200 career saves.
30 points for 1000 career games, 20 for 850 games and 10 for 700 games.
20 points for more than 4,000 strikeouts, and 10 for 3,000 SO.
2 points for each WS start, 1 point for each relief appearance, and 2 for a win.
1 point for each LCS or LDS win.




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I'd love to see McGriff in the Hall.




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